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Post by andrew on Dec 26, 2023 21:13:07 GMT -5
Italy is quite behind with integration, mostly because foreign immigrant don't want to stay,
I would say Italy is behind on inclusion, for many reasons that I feel are totally off topic here. It is true that some immigrants don't want to stay but the data mostly refers to those seeking for asylum in the EU that, because of Dublin's accords, are obligated to be registered and processed (and sometimes are sent back to) in the first country they enter. If we want to talk about people in Italy that don't want to stay we could start talking about the exodus of "native Italians" but that's a story for another day
Talking numbers: 8% of the population (5+ millions) is made of foreigners, if you only include people born outside the EU the number is 4 million (6.7%). So, foreign immigrants are here and want to stay (13% of companies are created by immigrants for example, schools are increasingly populated by a different array of nationalities and cultures). I think it's a false assumption the idea they don't want to stay (or at least an outdated one). It's also a little dangerous if you think about it for a second. If I'm a politician and I convince myself that immigrants don't even want to stay, why should I create inclusive policies in the first place ? ;-)
is just that number-wise there are more chances because there are more white women
Sure, but again, mine was just a thought related to the fact that minorities are not that visible in many spaces. It's more a question of representation than of hard numbers.
I'm sure things will change in 20 years, the country is already different from 20 years ago.
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Post by JimmyCage on Dec 27, 2023 4:26:59 GMT -5
Integration and inclusion are key, and you've highlighted a nuanced perspective on immigrants in Italy. But what about the UK? Maybe you know where I can get an apostille for my UK documents?
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Post by musatalor on Dec 27, 2023 4:27:37 GMT -5
The data about the foreign-born population and their contributions to businesses and schools is eye-opening. Your point about the potential danger of false assumptions regarding immigrants' intentions is spot on—inclusive policies are vital. Also, the thought on representation versus hard numbers is crucial for a comprehensive understanding. Change is inevitable, and as you rightly mentioned, Italy is evolving. By the way, for anyone dealing with international documents, services like apostillelondon.com can be a valuable resource.
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